Ep. 32 - Burlesque Behind The Feathers: Sexuality & Body Positivity

[00:12] Introduction: Hamburg, St. Pauli and Eve Champaigne

Dr. Bawa: Welcome to the Dr. Sex Fairy podcast. I am Dr. Kanwal Bawa, and I am here to transform your life. Not only am I here to share my unique brand of sexual and intimate wellness with you, I am also here to widen your horizons. I am recording this episode in Hamburg, Germany, and my guest is Eve Champaigne, the Queen of Burlesque. She is also called the Rockstar of Burlesque. She is a Kiez legend. Eve was the very first solo burlesque performer in Germany. She is a TV personality and has been interviewed innumerable times. She has appeared on Ninja Warrior, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Germany's Got Talent, and lots more. I attended Eve's famous burlesque show last night. It was a feast for the senses and true artistry. Eve and her team transformed the theater into a different world. Burlesque is very misunderstood. It is not stripping. It is certainly not prostitution. I want to delve into this world and that of Hamburg, the sex capital of Germany. I have many questions, and Eve has the answers. Moin, Eve. Welcome to the Dr. Sex Fairy podcast.

Eve Champaigne: Moin, doctor. Welcome to my neighborhood, St. Pauli, which is the red light district of Hamburg, which is the biggest one in Europe. Nice to have you here. Nice to have this opportunity to talk about my shows, burlesque, in this district.

[01:49] What Is Burlesque?

Dr. Bawa: Now, I am honored that you even came on the podcast because you are such a legend in so many different ways. So let's start with the most basic question. What is burlesque?

Eve Champaigne: Burlesque is an art form which is ruled regularly by female persons. It's a really empowerment art show. It's about stripping, but not being naked. It's the tease, which we, yeah, show up on stage really humorous in many different ways: sexiness, or jokingly, or modern.

[02:11] Classic vs. Neo-Burlesque and Costumes

Dr. Bawa: Nice. So tell me about the difference between classic burlesque and neo-burlesque.

Eve Champaigne: Classic burlesque is made by beautiful costumes, wonderful music from past times, like big band music. And neo-burlesque is the new art form of burlesque that means costumes from nowadays or crazy costumes, like I do a Darth Vader show played with modern music. So this is neo-burlesque. It's a really huge range of different shapes of getting undressed.

Dr. Bawa: And your show that I attended last night is neo-burlesque. It has everything.

Eve Champaigne: It has everything. The show is called Pulverlesque and takes part at the Pulverfass Cabaret, which is the oldest tranny queer cabaret of Germany.

Dr. Bawa: It was certainly an experience, no question about that. Your costumes are beautiful. They are ornate, feathers, sequins, tassels, they have it all. Tell me about your costumes and if they have changed over time.

Eve Champaigne: Sure that the costumes changed over time. I mean, I'm up on stage almost 20 years, so I think every performer, burlesque performer, starts with, like, costume. They bought in shops and just suits together, or make it, take a feather boa to it, or add, like, feather fans. But with the time, you go to make your costumes handmade by tailors or people who are into this art and crafts, and that makes the costumes really unique and really glamorous. When you start, it's like a costume is like 100 euros, if you say that. Right now my costumes are 3,000 euros because of the rhinestones, feathers, and tailor-made stuff, like corsets, which are not made by people, regular retailers. So these are special tailor-mades or craftsmen who do that.

Dr. Bawa: And they look expensive.

Eve Champaigne: Oh, they are, and I love to wear beautiful things on my body.

Dr. Bawa: Well, you are a beautiful lady, and you're tall. You are so tall, you make me feel really short. So you are quite the package. You make quite an impact on stage. I mean, you have a presence.

Eve Champaigne: Thanks.

[04:17] Burlesque vs. Striptease

Dr. Bawa: No, absolutely. Now let's talk about the difference between stripping and burlesque, because they're often misunderstood.

Eve Champaigne: Yes, there's a huge difference. I used to say striptease, it's the art of being naked and beautiful dance moves, and burlesque is the art of getting undressed and being covered. But it's more the tease than the strip in burlesque.

Dr. Bawa: Nice. See, all the things you're teaching me. Maybe you can give me a private lesson later.

Eve Champaigne: Oh yes.

[04:49] Comedy, Couples and Entertainment

Dr. Bawa: The doctor is going to have some skills now. So I also noticed there was a lot of comedy in your show, and it is a huge part of Burlesque as well.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, it is a huge part because, as you already questioned, it's like some people are saying that striptease, striptease is a huge part of burlesque, but it's not always being, like, in the show to get people attractive or sexual, like, stimulated. It's more the fact that we're doing a show, and there's comedy and, like, jokey parts in it are really important, even to the fact that most of the audience is, like, 70% is female. And when a beautiful woman or a cool body-shaped woman is doing, like, getting undressed, most girls are feeling affected. But when there is a comedy aspect, they're like, Oh my God, this girl is cool, and that makes burlesque so unique and perfect and beautiful for women as well.

Dr. Bawa: And that's why there are so many couples at your show versus just a strip show.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, exactly. There are a lot of couples in there, and mostly the girls taking the boys to burlesque shows. And it's so fun because the boys are like, Oh no, this is strip, and the girls know, yeah, the differences. And so the guys are happy as well when they're coming out of the show and saying, Hey, thanks, that was the most beautiful strip I ever saw.

Dr. Bawa: Yeah, and the thing is that it's entertainment.

Eve Champaigne: It's absolutely entertainment. We love to entertain people.

[06:29] Body Positivity and Inclusivity

Dr. Bawa: You are quite the entertainer, quite the consummate entertainer. Now, unlike stripping, which tends to show perfect bodies, I noticed all sizes at your show last night. I also saw drag queens and gay men. I saw just a rainbow at your show. And society can learn a lesson or two about positive body image and inclusivity from Burlesque and from your show especially.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, thanks. I hope that this message goes for all the audience each and every single time when we are performing on stage, because, yeah, you have the whole range of sexual identities and sexualities in my shows, and body as well. But I think sexuality and being really healthy with your own sexuality or sexual identity makes a good performer, because this is a huge passion or a huge thing which you can bring up on stage when you're self-confident with your sexual identity and sexuality. And so you can celebrate your body and give that to the audience to bring that to them. Doesn't matter if you're a trans person or not. And it doesn't matter if you're a size zero, like in the U.S. everybody's obsessed about being a size zero, or if you're 40 plus. Sexy is sexy. Sexy is sexy, and if you think you're sexy, bring it up on stage.

[07:50] Dangerous Acts and Performer Training

Dr. Bawa: Hell yes, sister. Now, on your stage, there was also fire swallowing, and burlesque must get very dangerous for the performers.

Eve Champaigne: Some of them doing, like, dangerous stuff like glass eating if they're, like, sideshow act. They need to be physically really fit. They can't make it, like, each and every single night, but that makes us, the creative people, that we can bring up a good show without swallowing swords or fire or eating glass, because there's a whole lot more we can show up on stage, which can be dangerous too. But on the other side, we are used to it. We're training it. We got our bodies in this physical... Strange to do such things.

Dr. Bawa: Now, what kind of training does it take to be a burlesque dancer? You don't just walk on to the stage from the street and say, you know, I want to wear sexy clothes.

Eve Champaigne: Honestly, yes, that was me. That was me, and so I became the first burlesque performer.

Dr. Bawa: Yeah, no, exactly. But there's skill involved.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, I think there's just a talent and the deep, deeper passion that you like to show the people how entertaining you are. And especially you need to be, like, a little bit exhibitionistic to do something like that. But I used to say there's nothing which makes the audience easier to cheer on you than is showing boobs. Doesn't matter how small or how big they are. Boobs win. Boobs win. Always, always, always.

[09:25] Cultural Representation and Misty Lotus

Dr. Bawa: You even had an Indian interpretation of burlesque as part of your show last night. As an Indian, I was very surprised to see something so unique.

Eve Champaigne: Oh, I think it's every kind of performer who's on my show is a performer, direct performer is unique by itself. But I like to show people in Germany, like, things they didn't expect it, and a huge range of cultural, yeah, influences, cultural appropriation is a German thing, which is absolutely not known and just showed up two years ago or something. The history of Germany is really rough and hard, and we have, like, a black history in former times. And the people in Germany are still wearing, like, you know, like indigenous feather headpieces or afro hair and everything, because we're trying to get them throughout my show to this theme of cultural appropriation, which is the thing that some people who are, like, Indian performers are felt attacked when somebody is wearing a sari and you're like, it's this white person, and it's not so cool. And we as performers should leave the people their culture to display it on the stage, because they are the ones who can give the vibe the best way to the audience.

Dr. Bawa: You had glorious Indian outfits on your stage yesterday. I was very surprised.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, thanks.

Dr. Bawa: Pleasantly surprised.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, it was Misty Lotus. Misty Lotus is from India, lives in Switzerland, and I'm really proud to have her in my show and to be one of the cultural part of my show.

Dr. Bawa: Here's a fun fact. Since you mentioned her name, my name, Kanwal, literally means lotus.

Eve Champaigne: Yes, sister, sister.

[11:15] Jealousy, Relationships and Support

Dr. Bawa: And we just high-five, listeners, so I actually like Eve. Eve's awesome. Do you feel that significant others of performers get jealous? Do you think burlesque sees more broken relationships?

Eve Champaigne: It's one half and the other half. I mean, for example, the Pulverfass. It has existed for almost 15 years. In the last 14, 15 years, there has been jealousy, there have been fights in between the drag queens. And right now, with our show, there was the most exclusive moment what happened to the stage because we started to be really supportive and everybody helped each other. Because right now, the generation of new performers, which I feel and see, is that they're growing up with this thinking. They're not fighting for jobs. They are supportive and they teach each other some things or, like, getting into new stuff. And, yeah, and realizing that everybody and every performer is a unique person and got unique talents and unique entertainment factors. So the one who is, like, really glamorous can't be compared with the one who's really jokey or neo-burlesque. So there can't be a fight. It's not about beauty. So that's why it's not more the jealousy and the fights in there. It's about being a unique art piece for yourself and supportive by new ideas and giving some vibe to others to create more and more better acts or personality as you are yourself, being yourself.

Dr. Bawa: And what about boyfriends and girlfriends? Do they get angry and jealous?

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, I can say yes. When relationships start, when relationships in our scene are starting, they are like, they get confronted by us as artists that we are up on stage and getting undressed. So most of the people are, like, feeling not comfortable with that. Even they never forbid it, yeah. But after they saw us on stage, like one or two times, they are getting really supportive because they realize what's the difference between... It's between striptease, the sex industry in common, and what burlesque is all about.

Dr. Bawa: So eventually they become supportive once they realize that you have fans and that this is a true art form, not necessarily something sexual.

Eve Champaigne: Exactly, exactly. But some are that stupid that they try to forbid some of us as artists. It's like, let them go, let them go. Toxic, yeah, toxic, that's it. We don't need toxic people around us.

[13:46] German Burlesque vs. the World

Dr. Bawa: No, we don't. Now, we started talking about burlesque in Germany and how Germany is such a melting pot. Now, how would you say German burlesque is different from burlesque around the world?

Eve Champaigne: Oh, there are really different burlesque styles in the world. There's American-style burlesque, which is kind of cheesy, highly entertaining, highly entertaining. Like, America is bigger, huger, more entertaining, more. But that's really awesome to see those American performers. Then you got, yeah, in Germany, they're real, like, more—we got more understatement. We have a lot in the history of ourselves and the history of burlesque. And because we are in the middle of Europe, we have all the influences from the Italian burlesque performers, the Spanish ones, the Scandinavian ones. Each and every burlesque country has its own style. But in Germany, they're all mixed up because we're coming from all over the world, especially throughout from Europe. A lot of people, yeah, artists, they are traveling to Germany to become famous, and that's how we get influenced by each and every single style, and this makes so much fun and so diverse, our shows, so we can't even compromise ourselves to be others. There's just no comparison.

Dr. Bawa: No, it is a melting pot indeed. And I'm an Indian who lives in America, and I find Germany absolutely exhilarating. And that's why, you know, Hamburg is such a great city for me because it's open. It's inclusive. It is not afraid of sexuality. And I have been here four times in my short time in Germany already. I can't get enough of it. I've got to come back.

Eve Champaigne: Welcome, yes.

[15:30] Respect, Sexual Openness and St. Pauli

Dr. Bawa: Now, you are a very famous performer, but do you feel that you get the respect you deserve as a performer and as an artist?

Eve Champaigne: Yes, I get the respect and deserve it being an artist because I'm like, I'm the rock star of burlesque. And I started my career being like, yeah, not mean, not rude, but like, I behaved like a rock star. I was drinking, I was burping on stage, I was entertaining the people. I took, like, beer showers in front of the audience, and I was always in all my hosting sexually open. So I could mix my, yeah, my statements with my art form. And so I got the respect of male and female person at the same time. Even with the trans scene or the gay, queer scene, LGBTQ scene, they look at me high up and say, Yeah, you got a voice, and you use your voice correctly for us as being supportive for each and every single person. So that makes my art form respectable and me as a person respectable to people. So I get really appreciated by my art and my personality. Yes, I feel.

Dr. Bawa: I agree, because I did a lot of reading to prepare for my interview with you today, and I found many, many references to how you have been a trailblazer. You have paved the way for an open discussion about sexuality, to make sexuality more mainstream and to take the, you know, the titillation, the dirt out of it.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, yeah. I'm dirty enough to take the dirt out of sexuality. But here the thing is that how can you have healthy sexuality if you can't be open about it? That won't work. That's pretty. That's really the controversial thing, and people are, yeah, that's where people get, like, yeah, not feeling self-confident with their body and sexuality. And Hamburg, especially St. Pauli district, wherever you are or whatever you are, feel free and feel fine with your body and your sexuality, because it's fine and we love you. And the most important thing is love yourself, love your sexuality, love your sexual identity by yourself. Share it as a couple or with the whole group.

[17:53] Eve's Story: From Body Shaming to Burlesque

Dr. Bawa: Amen, I say. Now, how did you get into burlesque? Who is Eve Champaigne?

Eve Champaigne: Oh, wow. How I get into burlesque, I love to tell the story. I was like, well, as a child I was pretty ugly, so mobbing was...

Dr. Bawa: I don't believe that.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, it was.

Dr. Bawa: That face could never have been ugly.

Eve Champaigne: I was looking like a giraffe, yeah, so I was called high tower because I was so tall and I was thin like hell, had short hair.

Dr. Bawa: You do realize you're describing the body of a model, right?

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Dr. Bawa: As you're whining about it.

Eve Champaigne: Exactly, yeah. But I was quite young, and when you're young, you're insecure, and I used to be asked if I'm a male, if I'm a girl or a boy. Today, something different. They ask me if I'm a drag or a burlesque performer, but this is part of my show and my identity right now. But as a child, yeah, I grew up, like, being, yeah, affected by body bashing and all this stuff in school, and I was watching all the old-fashioned movies, Rita Hayworth and all these beautiful women, where they came up in the red dress, the stairs downstairs, and there was a big band playing. I was like, oh my God, this is so beautiful. I wish to be once in this point in my life, to be so beautiful, walking down the entertaining stairs.

Dr. Bawa: And look at you today.

Eve Champaigne: Yes, and that's what it...

Dr. Bawa: You own that stage.

Eve Champaigne: Yes, I do. My dreams come true.

Dr. Bawa: You did. Every single one.

Eve Champaigne: Yes. It was like, yeah, I was studying as a child and collecting pin-up photographs and all this stuff. And therefore I came to the burlesque theme and topic, and my other assets came really late, so that's why I got some nice boobs and ass with my age of almost 40, because I came late. I came late.

[19:56] Body Positivity After Shame and Cancer

Dr. Bawa: But you know, this is great also because you were body shamed, and I'm always a proponent of body positivity. As somebody who's, you know, a size zero to a baseline with cancer, you know, my body took a beating. And now I'm a little bit heavier than I used to be, and sometimes it gets depressing, and I have to tell myself that it's okay. I'm allowed to heal. I'm allowed to get back to, you know, being myself in whatever time's okay for me. And then with the body shaming you suffered, you are now going to the exact opposite on stage and bringing a whole new era of body positivity, whether it's a man dressed as a woman, whether it's a heavy woman, you know, on stage, whether it's a thin woman on stage. You had every shape and every age on your stage.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, because it's like everybody is beautiful in its own way, and we are all healthy with the sexuality, with our bodies, and we are able to do high physical work on stage, being entertaining, being beautiful. And that is like a thank for our bodies as a performance to show how thankful we are for us.

[21:21] The History of the Kiez and Reeperbahn

Dr. Bawa: That is great, but I refuse to believe that you were ever ugly. We're not going there. We are currently sitting in the Kiez of Hamburg, Germany. Can you please tell our listeners how this really historic area came to be?

Eve Champaigne: Oh yeah, welcome to the historical part of this podcast. It would take a little bit of ages to describe it, but it started in the 17th century when all the ships came up here, the Elbe River, and the first sailors have been under pressure like the ships have been before. So they got down from the ships, and the first thing after months on sea, what would you do? It's drinking and having sex. And so the prostitution, the red-light district, started to be like, yeah, growing up at this point in Hamburg because it's next to the river. There are like brothels in here. Started the first one, the first bars. When the first came up here, then the businessman came, and there were Kiez. It's a Slavic slang word for district where craftsmen are settled. So you have in Berlin, as an example, you got different Kiezes. So Kiez.

Dr. Bawa: How interesting.

Eve Champaigne: And we just have this one, and it's literally the only one in Germany which is known when you say Kiez, everybody is thinking about the Reeperbahn, St. Pauli, our district. And yeah, it's a craftsmen district. And when you walk—I'm working as a Kiez guide for the Kiezjungs—and when you're walking in the street in here, you have street names by craftsmen, like a tailor street, you got like a rope maker street, but the German words for that. And yeah, this is how St. Pauli became so big. And then afterwards, in the '70s, we had, like in the 1970s, the huge era of the sex theaters in here, where you have live sex shows on stage, but they have been made like a musical, originally costing like Phantom of the Opera, but oversexualized. It was to make fun, and each and every single decade had its own fantasy or, like, fascinating on people coming here to this district since now.

[23:49] Kalle Schwensen, Olivia Jones and St. Pauli Icons

Dr. Bawa: How interesting. I think I've said that a few times. No, it is very interesting, and that's why I'm here, because who else to have this conversation with than the queen of the Reeperbahn herself, the queen of Burlesque, the rock star of burlesque. Now, apart from you, who are some of the well-known personalities of the Reeperbahn? Who else?

Eve Champaigne: Oh, there are most, like in the 70s and 80s, there were, like, wars in between the pimps, so they became really big in the newspapers. So they're still living, some of them, yeah, and it was like, yeah, that over-romanticizing of the red light district, which no longer exists, but those people are still alive and they're still in the newspapers, like being handled like, yeah, celebrities. It's like Kalle Schwensen. Do we have—we have also my former boss, Olivia Jones. Olivia Jones is running four clubs in here. She's the RuPaul version of Germany. She's the most famous celebrity in Germany. She's an A-level celebrity and takes part in every single TV show as a judge or anything, yeah, and being a huge part of St. Pauli, and she's doing a lot of work for the trans and queer scene all over Germany and makes, like, burlesque and travesty or drag queens, yeah, like regular in the...

Dr. Bawa: No, I actually know about Olivia Jones. I have been to one of her bars, and I had her Prosecco. It was good too.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, the Olivia Jones Prosecco. She's producing her own. Yeah, I was, like, working for ten years for her and was the first cis woman being part of the Olivia Jones family in between the drag queens. I used to be always the first cis woman somewhere, never attended any other person or female person, and that makes me maybe unique because I sometimes behave like a man when you see, like, when you think in boxes, yeah, because I'm like a rock star, and that thing is my key to success and my key to every sexual identity or personality because I have this huge range. I think, like, guys want to fuck with me, and the girls want to be befriended with me. Yeah.

[25:56] Strong Women and “Male Energy”

Dr. Bawa: No, I'm happy you talked about that because, you know, that whole thing about a strong woman being considered male energy is something I have faced myself. Because I'm a no-nonsense woman, I'm a successful woman, and I'm a self-made woman, just like you. And I feel that very often it's intimidating to people, especially to men. Do you find that?

Eve Champaigne: I find that men should stop thinking that this is just a male thing. Stop thinking in boxes. Strength has nothing to do with gender. I see, like, in the dressing room, I feel like the most male person in behaving between all the trans women in there, my burlesque girls, and I'm feeling like the men in between them. But it's the energy, and it's not special, like, behaviors or strange or something like that. It's not, when it's strong, it should not be named as a male thing.

Dr. Bawa: That's something that I feel strongly about, because why is a strong person considered male energy? Why can't it just be strong energy, strength as a whole? Why does it have to be given a gender? Why is it that, you know, men are strong, like a strong woman is a male energy?

Eve Champaigne: I think it's because of our human history. It begins, like, with the mythology in the past that men tried to, like, conquer women and all this stuff. But if we go back to our real roots, the women always have been, like, the magical figure, because we give birth to other souls.

Dr. Bawa: I think that's pretty damn strong, if you ask me.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I mean, it started, I think, with the industrial thing and, yeah, the man feeling like uncomfortable with our strength, with our, like, talents and spirits we used to have.

Dr. Bawa: Well, here we are. We are defying the norm, and we are paving our own way.

Eve Champaigne: Yes.

Dr. Bawa: A path of our choosing.

Eve Champaigne: Yes.

Dr. Bawa: And that's what true success is, isn't it, Eve?

Eve Champaigne: True success.

[28:06] Other Dreams, Touring and Miami

Dr. Bawa: Now, if not burlesque, which career would you have gone into?

Eve Champaigne: Oh, I had several. I was—I wanted to be like an ocean biologist. So, yeah, I have right now my advanced open water diver, so all the child dreams I had, or all the dreams about my aspirations, and I made them true by being an adult. So thinking about, like, being an artist at the Disney film studios, I wanted to sketch, like, the comics or the cartoons, but it came like the digital phase, and I'm not into, like, computer stuff, and so I missed this dream. But right now I'm going regularly to Disneyland in Paris to make this dream keep on true. So I think I would have end up in creative parts.

Dr. Bawa: Would you consider traveling, taking your show around the world?

Eve Champaigne: Yes, sure. I've been traveling a lot since I joined Olivia Jones, because then I became a part of this district and a legend. But right now I'm doing my own show, and it's a real success, and I'm thinking about touring the world with this show.

Dr. Bawa: Because I think Miami definitely needs a show like yours.

Eve Champaigne: Let's see Miami.

Dr. Bawa: I'm just saying.

Eve Champaigne: Welcome to Miami, baby.

Dr. Bawa: Yeah, let's figure it out. I'm serious. Maybe we should do something together. Dr. Sex Fairy brings the legend herself to Miami.

Eve Champaigne: We have some girls in Miami, burlesque girls who would join the cast as well, so it would be the same thing.

Dr. Bawa: See, maybe we just came up with something great.

Eve Champaigne: Yes.

[29:49] Advice for Aspiring Burlesque Performers

Dr. Bawa: Who would have thunk it, right? This is going to be good. Now, what advice would you give people who are interested in entering the field of burlesque today?

Eve Champaigne: I would give the tip that you, as a person, doesn't matter what gender you are, should join a burlesque workshop. Feel the energy, get into it, feel your body, get into, like, feather boas, get into high heels, get into, like, dresses. Feel pretty. If you're not having a burlesque class around you because you're, like, far away or you're too shy to that, get dress up, go in front of a mirror and just dance and feel yourself. Touch yourself, feel yourself, and dance. And when you think it looks jokey or everything, make it more. Get more into yourself. Just freak out and get out of your box and comfort zone, and you feel the energy and you feel the beauty you have inside.

Dr. Bawa: True acceptance is sexy.

Eve Champaigne: True acceptance is sexy. Yes, that's right.

[30:48] How to Find Eve Champaigne

Dr. Bawa: Now, how do our listeners get in touch with you? Because I am sure they're fascinated with your story, and I'm sure many of them would want to come attend your show, just like I did last night.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, if you're interested in my show, my show is called Pulverlesque at the Pulverfass Cabaret on the Reeperbahn. So you find the Pulverfass Cabaret in the internet where you can buy tickets. And I really would recommend you to look at the Pulverfass Revue, which is in between my shows. I'm just running the shows four times a year throughout the months. The rest of the months is the review, the queer cabaret revue, and please go there. This is also inclusive, all body types, and really fun to join. And if not, you will find me throughout social media, Eve Champaigne, the rockstar burlesque.

Dr. Bawa: The rockstar burlesque. Now, I will actually make it easier for our listeners, and I will post a link.

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, please. And if you're interested in this red light district, not even my show, I'm a professional red light district guide in here for the Kiez tours. I’m gonna find the link as well, and we have, like, English-speaking tours, and I really welcome you.

[32:28] Eve's Message: Feel Free in Your Sexuality

Dr. Bawa: And people, you don’t understand how hard it is to find an English-speaking tour guide in Hamburg, Germany. I speak from painful personal experience. So my friend Eve here is amazing, and she will make a great tour guide. Plus, she will leave you enthralled with a performance on stage. Do you have anything you’d like to tell our listeners?

Eve Champaigne: Yeah, I would like to tell you, you all beautiful human beings out there, feel sexuality, feel free with it, because sexuality is so natural, like you and yourself should be intrigued.

Dr. Bawa: Now, how do I even end with that? I think I just ended right here. Thank you, danke.

Eve Champaigne: Gerne, gerne.

[32:53] Recorded Outro

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